I wondered if you had become a full time missionary and if that was why you quit writing. Be blessed Lina! James MacDonald and the leaders of HBC did that with their own hands, hearts, & minds. You are courageous and your words bring healing. Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. God is faithful, and He is doing what needs to be done to protect His bride. I questioned a particular sermon that clearly was unbiblical but no one else did. Others have asked, but immediately defend the senior pastor and church. If you ever make that offer again, Ill be there, but please post on Twitter. He clearly told me that they send out reminders to give. What happens next? Ross, Hidden things have come to light. Politics and religion have a great affect on society, and both must be monitored to protect the people. Hes my brother in Christ. REALLY !! Im thankful you followed the Lords leading in these stressful and difficult circumstances. Love you! Nice to hear from you again! We did not want to cause a split or damage the cause of Christ, so we quietly left. Faith is Christ living. God is purifying His Church. Everybody and anyone has an opinion about what should happen to and for Harvest whether this means the self-identified victims, or the buildings, or the leftover and future leadership well, everyone is entitled to an opinion about everyone and everything. The pastor of that church,John Secrest, said he would be uncomfortable with MacDonald preaching at his church and asked Harvest to sever their affiliation. Lina, My wife and I also left our church several years ago. You are absolutely right about the fear! I was just starting out at Harvest in September of 2011. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. Our GOD is an awesome GOD. MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical in January, following a tumultuous few months defending Harvest in a defamation lawsuit against its critics and in the aftermath of a World magazine investigation into mismanagement at the church. We need to trust Him. I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. Specifically, I do mean the Machiavellian rule by fear and division that we are seeing. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. As questions about how Harvest Bible Fellowship money was used ballooned, the pressure mounted. Often no explanation given, and the band plays on. Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. With my life and schedule, my friends are few and far between, and have always been aware that my saying anything publicly about Harvest or James would jeopardize those friendships that I still love and value so much. [], Lost me at the private jet shared with Bill Hibel. At this point, Im not sure what else your thread can accomplish. Then came Roys story, MacDonalds decision to sue Roys and the bloggers behind The Elephants Debt (presumably rubber stamped by the current elder board), and the realization that discovery would mean everything coming out. I loved that about you. Lina, Now that all MacDonald men are gone and the elder board has been cut down to 9 men until a brand spanking new group of men are approved of, I am curious to see where this train goes. Sadly, this cancer has spread to other churches that were once part of the fellowship. Truth is healthy. They helped to create this culture of fear. You said, out of fear, I complied. I simply could not reconcile the lies that were shared from the pulpit with the truths that I knew regarding issues in the church. Your studies are strong biblical studies. These are the same elders who signed the letter of unconditional support for James, and then they fire him? Jesus called out hypocrisy in the religious leaders. A new believer has lost faith because of the shameful behavior of HBC leadership and all you can say is question the new believers truthfulness of his account? He ultimately requested that Harvest Naples be released from its relationship with the megachurch. Nellie, I work every day to be rid of my anger and thank you for proving that church is an unsafe place filled with predictors such as yourself seeking to tear down. The church was growing at the time. Someday, Fred, when you grow a spine, you need to come to me and beg my forgiveness for the unbiblical excommunication you were a part of in my situation. Updated 11/13/2020 7:31 PM. Im one of the people who asked you to share why you left. Now the Chicago-area megachurch is sharing details of the settlement and has apologized to its former pastor, who was fired in February 2019. The sin that has taken place does not negate the awesome work that God has done, and it pains my heart to hear people act as if it does. He lists grievances against Harvest including a false narrative in financial matters, a hostile takeover, shunning our family, the wrongful seizure of the ministry assets returned to him in the recent arbitration, and a vicious but unsuccessful strategy to end our ministry permanently.. But He is in control of everything and if He wants HBC to continue, it will continue. She has a right to expose. Sheesh. My experience was decades ago and in another state. Our good is like the filthy rags of the leper! All why surrounding himself w/yes men. Pray for James and Christs church that the LORD would accomplish what HE and HE alone is allowing. Thank you for your vulnerability. The only thing I liked about that church was the worship, which was glorifying to the Lord. And the lies werent just shared by James. It never dawned on me that it would open you up to attack. Stephanie Martin, a freelance writer and editor in Denver, has spent her entire 30-year journalism career in Christian publishing. But the biggest lesson is people need to stop looking at preachers as though they are perfect, but God know they arent and they need people on their necks to keep them honest. Did they not find that video shocking? Doing ministry you love. That night changed me. Constantly made to feel stupid, the youth had had enough so the mom called a meeting with the pastor. The Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son. Praying for you, many blessings for all you do. Im not sure it is saying tatoos are a sign of a decline in holiness, but the overall impression is any Christian who gets a tatoo wants to be cool and nothing about Jesus or the Gospel is cool. You are a blessing to many in need. Jackie Alfirevic HBC mothership (1992-2011). How long before we wake up and show the world how Christians are not only different from the world but we are not of the world! Because Jeff is still lying to peoples faces with a smug grin as recently as Saturday night. An eight-month investigation into pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel, his Chicago-area megachurch, culminated last week with the publication of a World Magazine article by Julie Roys. Letting you know about this is one of the most loving things that Lina can do at this time so that others dont experience the pain that she went through. What should we be planning for, praying for, and what did Jesus teach about? You have every right to speak up; and I respect you for doing so. May Our Lord guide all of us and May His will be done above all else. When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! We are stunned at the response of our pastor and a ministry leader who have declined to meet us as God directs us in Matthew 18. I still had friends on the inside that I longed to remain friends with. Thank you, Lina. This scandal that were going through has really rocked my world. She did a awesome job as the judgment of God has come to his house. Churches Still Depend on Clergy Housing Allowance, No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival. God is sovereign, He is the Healer, He is the Restorer, He is the Renewer, and He will continue to do what He is doing in order to bring about His will for His people. In good conscience we walked away too knowing it was the right thing before God.So now I get your story, you were a favorite of Kathy and James so I am sure to take a stand against the injustice at Harvest was not at all an easy decision.So many other godly people got pushed out for speaking up about the entitlement and harshness of James and other Pastors and Elders.So very sad somewhere along the way they just forgot they are supposed to be shepherds and servant and not the guards defending the many sin issues at Harvest. Instead, they have chosen to remain on the elder board and continue with the deep-seeded corruption and fraud that has plagued Harvest Bible Chapel for many years. Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. Wow. Good word, my sister. Churches should switch to a different model that is biblically aligned. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. Lina is right on. This post drips of mercy. God wins the war. God has been known to use even a donkey and a false pagan prophet to speak His word. He (the pastor) basically told us we would never work in ministry (volunteer or vocationally) because we didnt understand biblical authority. Well said Lina. Because there are others that need to also be held responsible. I really doubt theyre sending texts and emails asking for money. Gods timing is always perfect. Harvest dropped the lawsuit; MacDonald took a leave of absence; Roys revealed that MacDonald had lied; and then, finally, MacDonald went on a public vulgar, slander-laced tirade against Roys and Christianity Today. Amen. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. I kept seeing little hints of questionable goings-on at Harvest Bible Church, a large megachurch in suburban Chicago, but didnt really pay attention until last week, when the issue blew up in the most bizarre way. Did you see the link to my web page. Read the Old Testament. Free of James fear. Those who would shame someone for standing on the side of truth and grace have missed the mark. In early 2018, reporter Julie Roys, who writes for the conservative evangelical WORLD Magazine, began conducting background research for an article, which was published eight months later under the headline Hard Times at Harvest. Again this is HER TRUTH! James could have easily prayed, [] There are a couple of other reads that came to my attention this evening related to Harvest Bible Chapel that I wanted to make people aware. We have now been without a fellowship for nearly a year (we are missionaries in Europe) because I do not want to join a happy clappy crowd who would not know the Word of God were it to bite them nor do I want to join a fellowship where the Word is extremely well known but there is no life, no joy. Two years ago, MacDonald moved away from overseeing the Harvest Bible Fellowship, a global network of churches, which eventually separated from Harvest completely to form the Great Commission Collective (GCC). Love for God, relationships, and the church. Is it perfect? The Bible even says Truth shall set you free. Youre sharing your story and I think those who have been hurt by HBC (including me) needs to hear these stories. (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) The flock are the casualties in all of this. Pray for those outside the faith who will never come to salvation because of how this appears to them, Muller wrote in his op-ed. , Titus 3:10-11 says as for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once, and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful, he is self condemned. Also 1 Timothy 5:20 says as for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, which is what we are doing, so that the rest may stand in fear. , Nothing is covered, nothing is unresolved, nothing is ongoing, only this attack from the enemy. Like you, Lina, Ive listened to people wounded by sin, power grabs and wrongdoing by Church leaders. God is good, truth always win. 1.) Mind you, I didnt simply walk out. Leak of highly inappropriate comments by founding pastor of Chicago-area megachurch caps months-long clash with critics. My faith has been shaken by the situation at another Christian organization. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, revealed material obtained under subpoena, called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show. Persecution or hardship drew them close. Thankful for her thoughtful response and I agree with you that God knows all of this and isnt surprised by any of it including the timing of her response. The only hope is to totally exposed and excise it so that all will not be consumed. The Scripture that came to me as I read this is I Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but one of power, love, and sound judgment. Im thankful you and so many others I know have left with dignity and after a bit of healing have jumped back into churches where they are serving the Lord with all their hearts using the gifts God has given them so faithfully. Torn between right and wrong. Basically hes a figurehead who can be dismissed on the whim of any elder or his wife. I follow Jesus in His Strength the best I can in the light He has given me. The caller alleged (in vulgar terms) that Roys, the reporter, was having an affair with Christianity Todayseditor-in-chief Mark Galli, andmade a comment about bringing down former Christianity Today CEO down by remotely uploading child pornography onto his computers. Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. Transparency in finances Go figure..Disappointed, Searching for a new study close by. Scripture does not say what the mark was, but it was a mark that man knew as a sign to not to kill Cain, as it would end his life, and end the judgement that God had given Cain to live out his life with. The former Harvest Bible Fellowship leaders now at GCCwhich contains about 130 churches, more than half of which still have Harvest in their namesshare concerns about the churchs leadership and are looking for transparency and repentance from MacDonald. Her first year at college and her first visit to Harvest RM. This included an abusive and fear-based culture where those who question leadership are punished, she writes. Congratulations on your freedom, Lina! If you read the history and understand the public record of offenses at Harvest (with many more than the requisite two or three witnesses), you will understand why this is not only completely justified, but actually necessary to the restoration of healing and good order to Christs Body. I want to thank you for having the courage to add your testimony to the voices of those who have been abused by HBC. Study-7:00 PM. For you to step back and taken ownership of your piece in the large (very large) puzzle, is a humility and grace only Jesus can provide. Stressful on him and his family. Hang in there. It is finally the truth coming to light from his own actions and the people who protected him for years. Because ultimately what God wants is not a huge army of women who are nice. Will this tattoo be their mark of shame? Because these leaders will continue this false deceitful way of life that flows from them so seamlessly, so easily, and with such persuasiveness. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. That occurred right after eight former elders sent a letter to the current elder board, claiming that MacDonald was guilty of self-promotionlove of moneydomineering and bullyingabusive speechoutbursts of anger[and] making misleading statements. Harvest countered by accusing those eight former elders of great sin and defiling many people., The three censured elders said Harvest maintained a culture of fear and intimidation that destroyed relationships. Amy. I was brushed off. I pray that no stench of fear be found in any space occupied by Christs love. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. Maybe you were called in front of the elders and asked to rewrite because thats horrendous theology and an awful way to be an ambassador for the Gospel. With so much gaslighting going on and public take-downs of those who would speak truth to power, and your investment in the church industrial complex, I can imagine how difficult it wouldve been to speak out publicly at the time of your leaving. Its true, Anonymous, we have no right to predict the eternal destiny of even the worst of sinners, for God longs to show mercy and grant repentance to all. I think the congregation who asks these questions should know that I pray for them. By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman/person ruled by fear. Hoping you come back and teach a book of the Bible. Many are in or have been in denial. While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. While many in the congregation were willing to give it a second chance, some members raised concerns about many of these individuals closeness to MacDonald, and their willingness to cover for him for so long. Just because its a church building with leaders doesnt mean that Christ is leading it. Leaving without speaking up was still an act of cowardice and self-preservation. Also I Cor. Because TRANSPARENCY is neededand now ahe may be starting to feel safe. Not everything needs to be about Polititcs. For our premium ad-free experience, including exclusive podcasts, issues and more, subscribe to. The assistant pastor just tried to deflect and justify the pastors actions. ! And even then, it often doesnt work because so many remain enthralled with the narcissist, or have tied their fortunes to them, that they simply cant or wont see the truth. He is very likely not a brother in Christ. Wounds take a great deal of time to heal and its appropriate to share them and warn others to avoid similar church abuse. Im disappointed in your timing. In another incident at Camp Harvest, MacDonald reportedly stabbed a photo of a former Harvest pastor with a butter knife. I have lived with fear in my life almost my entire life. (Galatians 2:11-21) Truth heals. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. The unrest at Harvest began in the fall of 2013, when two elders were excommunicated and another was indirectly censured, Roys writes. If Harvest and James can answer that, without focusing merely upon what they do, it would be helpful. However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. Your child will experience the life-changing power of Jesus and His Word through worship and story, and age-appropriate learning tools. The Pastor started teaching on obeying your authority and not questioning authority etc. It may not be warm and fuzzy but speaking truth, especially when compelled by the Spirit, is never wrong. Many many of us are praying for all of you in Naples. Mike was genuinely shocked when we told him our son had Paxton as a camp counselor for whole week at Camp Harvest and we never received notice as HBC falsely told Daily Herald. DONT defend these people in any way!! Lina, a number of years ago I was reading one of your books while waiting for Gordon Z. to join me for lunch. Im about to lead a teaching tomorrow night about the mark God placed on Cain after he killed his brother Abel. This is why Jesus did not come to this present church environment. Still, even I knew when enough was enough. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, a defendant in the lawsuit and the writer responsible for the World investigation, who has continued to release evidence against MacDonald and call for his resignation. James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. Matthew 7:15: Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. The Harvest and James MacDonald Controversy Explained, Did Pharaoh Have Free Will? He invitedme to go when we first started dating. This young lady has done the work and is doing the work of the great physician. Thank you for being honest and speaking truth. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. Fear can lead to many sins. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. It takes a long time. I too have had similar experiences in another church (The Chapel). I think Nellie and others are genuine in their questions of why now and why kick him when he is down. I still hold fast to the hope he will take all this to Jesus. The small adult group was fun visited Moody church. I left for the Truth of Orthodoxy! She has admitted that she didnt speak up enough at the time. Christ alone is to be worshipped. first Bill Hybels. Ive never been able to foster the same level of trust and thats the residual I wrestle with. Let us examine ourselves for unconfessed sin and seek to live in fear of the Lord lest bitterness overtake us.. Hannibal Harvest Bible Church (EIN# 862793399) is an tax exempt organization filed with Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Thank you Lina, So many of his followers would still want him as a preacher. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. I am so proud of Lina and she is speaking out the words that I would never say because I live in fear of that kind of authority. I pray shes wrong. is it the pastors doing? "Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful. As painful as it is, all that has been hidden must be revealed. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. Five years ago, Harvest Bible Chapel, a Chicago-area megachurch with multiple campuses and an average weekly attendance exceeding 12,000, sent shock waves through the Christian community when it publicly excommunicated two former elders and indirectly censured a third. You are loved. The recognizing date of the exempt status is April, 1972. The evangelical megachurch system, where multilayered ministries form around a single persona, leaves ample room for mismanagement and abuse of authority. Walked out of that service. God IS in control and knows what he is doing. And the truth of many at Harvest. Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? WHY NOW??? The people of the church are those we feel we can trust and love. The issue here is not TIMING or kicking someone when theyre down its about exposing ungodly, cowardly behavior and making people aware of its existence. Start praying for Jesus to heal the entire body of which He Alone is the Head. I believe Yahweh has me where He wants me. God is a for-others being he can not lie, therefore, he can not be for Himself. Do you realize the elders are already choosing to step down? I have 3 small groups now that are like this but we lack music. Hearing these stories has helped me to realize I left just when I was supposed to. Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. Thank you for your openness and sharing! I miss that about you. They made excuses for him. Fear is why leaders did not speak up until now. Be blessed dear Sister. I was always greeted with a kiss by a cute missionary girl that went there. Throughout the week, there are opportunities for you to grow in your walk with Christ, to serve, and to connect with other people in the Rolling Meadows area. Yes, I was there for ex-communication video. It is so sad when the devil works to cause problems in a church. 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