But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for; and in a way we wait for it still, even now. If any sizable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running red. Now that's important. In a rage how? "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age." And once again, another nitrogen compound. And he said, "Look, this is what you're going to do is Of course, you don't want to do this. Yes. They spent the next six months interrogating him. This is Radiolab and today we're talking about Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. Thanks also to reporter Aaron Scott for that story. Even past when they were screaming in pain. And she said, "My ex boyfriend. Then, we reconsider what Stanley Milgram's famous experiment really revealed about human nature (it's both better and worse than we thought). In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. Give me two more minutes. And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. Yeah. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. But this is why this is such an interesting guy, around the same time, officials in the U.S. government are calling him a war criminal. She was actually, uh, sort of a genius herself. Now the volunteer couldn't see the guy he was shocking, but he'd definitely hear him. I- I- I- well (laughs). What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas.". He would deny things. I'm [Clemmy Buttonhill 00:26:56], I'm here to tell you about the Open Airs Project, the new podcast form WNYC studios and WQXR, in which people share stories about the classical music that gets them through their lives. However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies; that's what you do. It's absolutely essential. It's 9:24 hours on June 17th, year 2003. I'm about to help this quest for knowledge. Thousands of people have done it before you. And isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society who are willing to make sacrifices for a greater- the greater good? Just to put that into context and to bring a few other of our storytellers in. That guy yelling of course was an actor and the shocks weren't real, but the questions in the air at the time were very real. A lot of them were like, "This is not how you fight a war.". And you like her. They couldn't deploy it. If the experiment- if the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". And I- I killed her. I mean, it's a pretty big thing to miss. Addeddate 2012-10-10 05:15:40 Boxid OL100020610 Identifier wnycs-radiolab_the-bad-show Add Review 4 Views DOWNLOAD OPTIONS 1 file ITEM TILE 4 Files 4 Original Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. We want what Elizabethans got at the scaffold, which was a confession. And so, 1918 Fritz Haber gets a Nobel Prize, but this is why he's such an interesting guy. You know, uh, "I'm going to kill her.". And that tonnages then moves into our food source, our food source then moves into our bodies, and the rough statistics are that half of each of our bodies contains nitrogen from the Haber process. And I was just astonished-. This is Radio Lab, and today elements. We lived together for a couple months, he was very aggressive, he started calling me a whore, and told me he didn't love me anymore, so I broke up with him. He could have never imagined that. And so Satan, basically, systematically destroys Job's life. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and . And he is celebrated for it. The story of Job is that one day God and Satan are having a conversation, and they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? About; Blog; Projects; Help; Donate An illustration of a heart shape . He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen. Said- said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone.". I don't know that you could entirely call him bad, I might even tilt towards saying he's a little good, to be honest. The authoritative record of New York Public Radio's programming is the audio record. Well, you know, you can see that's a good thing. You know [crosstalk 00:25:00]. He said that if I ever had a relationship with another man, he was going to send videos of us having sex to all the people in my university. If those two participants refused to go on. And if they didn't go on, if they resisted, the experimenter would break out prod number two. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. When I picked them up, I was going to kill them." I mean, you know, it's just one of those things we've been bringing back shows that we think are just vibrating still in the world. The fact that he kept on doing it over, and over, and over again was like, "Come on.". It's about 1880. This hour we take a look at what happens when we all try to live together. Bonobos. This has allowed the world to have 7 billion people. Haber, it's unknown what happens for the rest of the evening, but it is a well documented fact that the very next morning-. Shoots herself in the chest. God, 'cause it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of human's latent capacity of evil. He just kind of went crazy. Now, we don't actually know if he threw a party. Live shows were first offered in 2008. 'cause this room's echo-ey and you know there's nothing like a closet full of clothes to, like, help balance that out. Well if the idea is that people will do bad if they think it's good, if it's a good noble cause. Sixty-five percent-, To shock their fellow citizens, over and over again-. How many of them went into that kind of detail? So, during World War I Haber's institute had developed a formulation of, um, insect killing gas called zyklon. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. "I need to kill because of that." I do not stand alone. So, let me just get that ov- I mean-, So, again, the baseline study is the one where 65% of the volunteers-. That is if you don't continue, we're going to have to discontinue the experiment. But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. Be right back. And he is basically homeless at this point. Yeah, I don't think we quite [crosstalk 00:49:32]. So if you have kids in the room, maybe this is a time to tell them to go brush their teeth or something. Well, all right. Uh, it makes up four out of every five or so molecules that we breathe. The one that everybody knows, the so called baseline. The Germans were on one side, the French, the Canadians, and the British on the other. I'm good. I got those all at night, mostly. And my father was recruited to the task force. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society. And as he was in the kitchen, looking stupid, peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently, so that he wouldn't suspect anything. He's part of the club and he really, really relished it. He buried them, or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods-. Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" Jul 28, 2018 I'm almost done, guys. Because it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of humans' latent capacity for evil. Then a few months later, he started calling me, trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. He believes in me and he trusts me and so much. He had an experimenter who wasn't a scientist, but was a member of the general public. David always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. Uh, and he finds her actually still alive with her life running out of her. According to James, he's not the baddest in Shakespeare or in life because ultimately the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. Okay. These violent delights tienen fin violento. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. You're cut down before then. Year 2003. Times. And, um, in January of 1984, the Green River task force was formed. Why did you take these women off the streets and want to destroy them? In Shakespeare, or life. He eventually goes to England-. But as far as I know, there are none for Radiolab.I think I once read a statement from Jad and/or Robert that they view the show as an audio experience, and so believe it can't be captured in a transcript. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. This is Jeff Jensen and he's a reporter in LA. And that we're not going to be shocked with anything-. I'm going to take a break. On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of-, There's a moment in the play when Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently. Nobody had done what she was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. You know, just because of a mathematical summing up. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. Haber starts thinking, in order to do this we need to, uh, pressure this. And then, the final one. Was he grappling with something? They're trying to do the right thing. At least not with a tremendous amount of energy. You're telling this [inaudible 01:02:30]. Yes. It's about how far would these people go. And then, he just trails off. Direct your voice toward that microphone in the room [inaudible 00:20:33]-, So they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow, this is really important. Okay. That's my thing and that's where I'm going to stand on it. You know what? There's trench warfare. And I used to socialize with him and his wife. Can we really know that? In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are strung up, but you're not allowed to hang until you die; you're cut down before then. And in the other room, there was a guy, who he called the learner, who was supposed to have memorized some words. Let me- let me jump just, uh, a quote in front of me. It's like playing dirty. I- I- I would say in a powerful mood. Like, saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy.". Under extreme, extreme pressure. And so, Satan basically systematically destroys Job's life, takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. Trivalent. And so, I ex- expanded the sample where we asked about 5000 people. With my arm. Leaving a son, a- a- alone with his dead mother. But- but there's part of me that says, you know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before. We're all great apes. Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? And she takes a service revolver-. And maybe forces hydrogen in the tank. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. And why is it so important, do you think, to understand the why behind such an evil act? So, you see, it's just in that one experiment that 65% of people are willing to go all the way. You know, on the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's he-helped or fed versus people he's killed, I mean, he's got fed billions of people, I don't know that you could entirely call him bad. My dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. Radiolab is supported by Audible. And did you go back to the party then and continue dinner partying for a while? "When I picked them up I was going to kill them." What you know, you know.". But 75% of the people who worked for him at the institute, they were Jewish. And one evening they were throwing a- a party. September 15, 2022 Radiolab for Kids and WNYC Studios present Terrestrials, a six-episode miniseries hosted by Lulu Miller (co-host of Radiolab . "Well why can't you deal with it in a normal way?". Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway. So read these words that you see here. And is found by her son. Members of his extended family did. How could you? Uh, walked in and asked his wife, uh, where this friend of mine was. And not to everybody's taste. He says that he's gonna- He's always been hiring people based on how smart they are and not who their grandparents were. His calculations showed that it couldn't be done. Would you really? Horrified like, "Oh my God, my students are murderers?" Our- our friend. Each answer just begs another why. In fact we hate being told. And he finds her actually still alive, with the life about to run out of her. Transcript. How do you tell the real baddies from the rest of us? And so he says that and you're like, "Okay, yes come over now. Yet you go into this anyway, knowing full well that it could-, "That is true. So he plans to destroy Othello. "Just wanted to kill them, I just needed to kill them." And he throws himself in one of the central issues facing Germany that at that time. And one evening, they were throwing a party and invited me over. And that's what Shakespeare did in all his plays. So, he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself and what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into seawater, which contains, um, uh, some very small levels of gold. with the ideas that people would do bad if they think it's good, it's a good noble cause. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". 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